The assignment for the Byron Hurt film: Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes should be posted here. Hit comment and paste your 250 word essay.
Assignment: Identify Hurt's argument(s). In 250 words minimum, discuss the evidence Hurt presents in the film and whether or not you agree with his premise that commercial rap is misogynistic, violent, and promotes a negative stereotype of manhood.
I want you to visit http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/hiphop/ for background information on the film and director. In your essay reference the interview in Know What I Mean between Byron Hurt and Michael Eric Dyson. You can also cite a song which supports Hurt's claim(s) or refutes it. You can include the URL in your essay as the reference.
Bring your drafty paper to class on Thursday, Sept. 19, for a peer review. Please include a planning sheet and an outline. We will meet in class. Yes, please type the draft. It looks more polished.
This is a draft, so it doesn't have to be perfect. We will respond to other students' essays. I noticed that students are not posting assignments, such as the essay response to the Politics of Graffiti, or the chapter responses. They do count. If we start a film and for whatever reason don't complete it, all of my resources are in the public domain, which means you can check them out of the library or rent them from a video store (Style Wars).
The polished essay is due, Tuesday, Sept. 24. It should be 750 words minimally, and incorporate citations: paraphrase, direct citation and 1 block quote. Please include a works cited page and a bibliography. Sources should include: the film, a song, and Track 4. "Cover Your Eyes As I Describe a Scene so Violent; Violence, Machismo, Sexism, and Homophobia."
I will put a link for a post. I want the critique to be on-line. I want students to read two other essays and respond to the rubric values I will list there. So far, no one from this class has visited me at my office hour, or emailed me any questions. I presume that when all is quiet there are no questions. If you have questions, you need to ask them so you can have clarity.
I assign so much writing because I want you to develop a body of work so I can get a sense of you, the writer. All the essays and writing assignments are not weighed the same. The midterm is weighed more than the freewrite or shorter essay. But it all counts and it all matters and it all helps.
Writing is writing and I believe the more you read and write the easier it gets and the better you get at it. At this point, students should understand the research process and know MLA formatting. This class differs from other writing classes in that it uses literature, in this case, film, poetry, art, music, and performance art.
I am interested in everything and open to various voices in the discourse, even when I don't agree. Become engaged in the process. Read and write daily.
The Common concert is this weekend and no one has stepped forward to organize the trip.
Faraj is the only student who responded to another's discourse on the topic. Everyone has to respond to someone's response. Get to it.
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discuss the evidence Hurt presents in the film and whether or not you agree with his premise that commercial rap is misogynistic, violent, and promotes a negative stereotype of manhood.
I agree with Hurt entirely. As an elementary to high school boy, I used to indulge myself in Hip-Hop or "Rap". It was the thing to do and everyone listened to it, girls and boys. It was the music that played at parties and clubs and was known as the music that should be listened to. Around the middle of my high school years, I totally stopped listening to rap altogether. Not exactly sure what it was that caused me to stop but I believe it was a mix of the degrading lyrics for men and women as well as the pictures and videos that were shown. As someone who experienced this pressure first hand, I can say everything the theories at elast in my opinion are very accurate. Hip Hop also helped me develop a hatred for this type of genre because you can tell the people who really over listen and follow these songs aren't the ones with the loyal girlfriend or a loving family. But rather its the people who have self esteem issues and do not know who they are.
The music was insulting not only to me but to my significant other at the time on multiple occasions. When I see teh girls who go out clubbing who are very attractive and are close friends with me, I asked them why they do it? To me, rap is degrading to women and it doesnt make sense that you party to it. They just said,"i dont listen to the lyrics the beats are cool". Nonetheless men treat it as a different thing. I feel that Rap and or Hip Hop is getting better in terms of lyrical composition but I can say it was and still is a HUGE impact on our society as a whole. If you just go to your local highschool, you will notice that at least 40-50% of guys and girls where name brand Hip hop clothes which hang past the belt line as if its the normal thing to wear. It just possesses our society and is a huge influence in middle school, high school and college life. Peer pressure through songs is a big issue as well.
Dominique West
Sabir
Tu-Thurs 9-10:50
September 16, 2008
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We watched a movie in class today directed by Byron Hurts. I think that the movie was pretty good. There are a lot of things in hip hop that seem to get plenty of attention when it shouldn't get any. For example the scantil clad women who are in the videos get nothing but attention because they put themselves out there. They receive this attention because producers and and people of that nature assume that that is what we want to see. No one raps or freestyles about important things anymore. It's all about guns, drugs, a$$, and money. That's plenty of the reason why things go on wrong in the world. But for now it seems as though that's what's going to make money and that's whats's going to get the worlds attention.
Megan cieri
English 1B
To me the closing statement of this documentary was the most profound. How hip hop is all about standing up against white capitalism, yet they depend on it. They must add fuel to the fire of the stereotype of hip hop in order to keep making money. Money truly is in this case, the root of all evil.It was interesting to see the shift in hip hop culture from the Regan/Bush Senior era to now. In the 1980's rap and hip hop was very politically charged. For example when the crack epidemic hit the inner cities and ghettos, hip hop banned together to say "crack is whack". To me this is an example of what hip hop could have become and what it still has the power to become. A consious body of forward thinking radicals focused on community and world change.
Robin Cepparo
Free write
I thought Byron Hurt's documentary, Hip Hop Beyond Beats and Rhymes, touched on very important issues that seem to be much over looked. Byron's researched attempted to answer the questions about what it is about our culture that makes hip hop the way it is. But is it our culture that pushes views of demoralizing women, violence and masculinity onto the hip hop counter culture, or are hip hop artists influencing our culture? The documentary might not have fully answered these questions, but it defanitly pushed issues like violence and misogeny in hip hop music and culture to the forefront. I also liked how Byron approached the issue, talking directly to young African American men involved in the hip hop movement and older African American music and cultural mavericks who reflected on the differences in hip hop now as compared to when it started.
Jennifer Nguyen
I never realized how deep a person could get into the prospect of hiphop. I always just take hiphop on a literal face. The beats, the sound and how it makes me feel. But what I don't do is listen to the lyrics. I guess I've always ignored the reality of hiphop and how it devalues women, and promoting manhood, and violence. This movie(and class) opened up my eyes. I realize just how much women are really worth in these videos, close to nothing. People, artists think that just because they have so many women around them , that they're pimps, cool, hard (mentally and physicaly), and that people who cry, respect others etc etc are "sissies." Whatever happened to respecting women? Respecting your love ones? How did they feel when they were younger and seeing their mom get smacked around by their dad?
But I can also agree with another fact from the video. That women also plays a part in letting men treating them down. No, it isn't a crime to wear shorts and a skinny top when the weather is nice and hot. However, by showing off your body like that, it's like putting up a sign that says "grab me." To the boys, wearing clothes like that makes them think that you welcome them to grab you. Wearing clothes that says "hottie" on your ass or any provocative clothing, to me seems like their asking for it. With the women in the video...yes i agree that is putting down women from all over the world. These women in the music video agrees to shake their booty around half naked for money. However, do they even realize how they're making women look? Women gets mad when they see something like that, but it was also women that signed up for these things. It's probably just not fair that some women volunteer to become just another property owned by a man, yet that has to represent women from all around America.
Guys trying to be hard, guys treating women as another piece of property, guys trying to beat each other down...why does it have to be like that? Videos, music, rappers talk about their "boys", their "homies" but why are there so many shootings and deaths among their own race. Before the world was against them, but now when everyone is learning to accept everyone, everything, they start to turn on themselves? Why is that? I love listening to hiphop, it's something that can relax me, can make me feel like I want to dance. However, when we look at the subject more closely...It makes me feel like I shouldn't be supporting this...
Aaron Lederer
Free-Write
The Issues in Hip Hop
The film “Hip Hop Beyond Beats and Rhymes” directed by Byron Hurt explores the issues of hip-hop that many prefer to overlook. Masculinity, misogyny, and homophobia are all topics of discussion. What interests me most is the misogyny aspect, the idea that “sex sells.” Rappers are often criticized for their lyrics identifying women as “sexual objects,” by calling them bitches and hoes. Not all rappers objectify women, it just a coincidence that the most popular and highest selling artists are the ones that do. I believe it’s not the artist’s fault that women are perceived as sexual objects of desire. Women have been mistreated long before these rapper’s lyrics. Even before hip hop existed, there were pimps strolling inner city tracks waiting for their hoes to bring back some money. The rappers aren’t creating a political issue, they are simply reflecting on one. They are the medium.
Basically I agree with most of the points in the film. It is odvious that hip hop that really make money is the hip hop that presents a violent and sex ideas. I mean all the hip hop artists that I know have in most of their songs something that involves violence, masculinity, sexism. In the film they talk about black and latinos having things in common in hip hop, I'm Latino so I know about latinos in it, they claim that hip hop has been around for a long time, but recently it has become worldwide famous, with the new idea of Reggaeton wich is basically a combination of American Hip Hop and Latino Hip Hop and in their lyrics they talk also talk aboout men being tough and violent, in control, a ladie's man, and having lots of money a term known as "Cangry". But also like they talked in the video is not just artists in their music videos and lyrics presenting violence, but its the whole society, I mean the media always blame on minorities about violence but they never blame on themselves for presenting violence to their audience, now days you turn on the TV and you will see some sort of violence presented, women on their under wears and all kind of things that are not so different from the images and ideas presented in hip hop. So everyone colaborates into it, and I would even say that society itself encouraged everything presented in hip hop, artists realized that what they made was making good profits so then everyone wants to follow and that's how we got to this point.
Faraj Fayad
The film "HipHop Beyond Beats and Rhymes," directed by Bryon Hunt, was mostly about the masculin image a man tries to portray of himself when writing their lyrics, and how they treat women as well. This video went over other subjects aswell, such as how rich caucasion men are behind the scene of selling these albums and how they agree with the language put into the artists songs, even though it might include profanity, drug use, and name calling of women. further more, the film explores the violence coming out of hiphop but a famous rapper, Jadakiss, says, "do you watch movies," meaning that hollywood movies concentrate on violence and the use of guns. Maybe violence, money, calling woman bad names as weel as having them half naked on music videos is what attracts America. Then Hunt talks about how the shooting of 50 Cent turned a lot of heads and got him to sell millions of albums.
Kimberly Peterson
We watched “Hip Hop beyond Beats and Rhymes” in English class today. It was movie about some of the interviews that Byron Hurt, a long time hip hop fan had exposed to himself, and to us, about the misogyny, masculinity, and homophobia that hip hop portraits to America. Hip hop had started out in the poor neighborhoods, or ghettos in the Bronx, New York. It spread all over America like a virus leading it to be the most influential and popular music of Americans. Byron Hurt explains to us that when he used to play sports in high school, he would listen to hip hop right before a game and get pumped up to play. He would always defend hip hop in his speech, because little did he know what a negative influence it has been all over America.
Hip hop is looked out by most as not seen as a bad thing. When you really look deep into it you can see all of hip hops negative entities, or flaws. It shows the dominance and masculinity of men. The stereotypes of the black men really comes out in the music videos, and in lyric’s all around. They talk about money, guns, and dominating of the female race. It is as if they are inside of a box, because they all possess the same images. They are dominating, not weak figures, with much money, flawless, and flashy. They are thugs; some of them view themselves and their culture to be inside of their own prison. They are not allowed to speak.
They are not allowed to speak because they care to much what people think about them. They always have to be tough guys. “…we walking around in a club, I’m wondering why we can’t walk around and smile and each other,” says Fat Joe. Imagine if they were smiling at each other, what would outsiders think right? They would think that they were homosexuals. Could America handle that, probably not.
Freewrite
Hip Hop Beyond Beats and Rhymes
Directed by Byron Hurt
Aerin O'Leary
English 1B
The film, Hip Hop Beyond and Rhymes, directed by Byron Hurt documents Hip Hop and explores many themes that hip hop entails. He is an avid fan yet he now feels that Hip Hop needs to be questioned and some of its motives are not in align with what it used to be. Throughout the film hurt interviewed many different people from Hip Hop scholars to artists. Hurt spoke on topics that today in Hip Hop are prevalent and need to be touched on. This included; racism, police brutality, homicide, sexism and more. He says that he actually feels bad questioning Hip Hop and being a critic but he feels it deals with him as a black man in society. Talib Kweli said that “hip hop is a very ego driven thing” many artists felt the same way and surprisingly enough they agreed with Hurts opinions and viewpoints whether it was because they were avoiding topics that were perhaps “sensitive” in the industry they put their two cents in. Within all the topics Hurt discussed they are all intertwined and originate from the start of when Hip Hop began in the Bronx. The lyrics are becoming more and more less conscious as labels are bought out by people they change the sound and don’t know or understand what hip hop is all about.
In today’s movie “Hip Hop Beyond Beat and Rhymes” I really understood what he was talking about. About 98% of Hip Hop music now is garbage. I mean the beats and back round music is really good it has you all hyped, but soon as the so called rapper open up his or her mouth you want to turn it off. Must of the time we don’t because we still like the beat. I hardly listen to Hip Hop any more it’s become very very stupid!!
Byron Hunt did a good job really making people think. Like how the girls at the Spring Bling concert said that when the rapper were calling woman bitch and ho’s they weren’t talking about them. Those were the precise women they were talking about. They also tried to make the excuse ‘just because we come out dress like this to enjoy the weather that doesn’t make us bitches and ho’s.’ I think if you want to quote on quote enjoy the weather they could do it in a little bit more respectful manner. I mean women were literally walking around with there ass hanging out. Were they really expecting for the men not to reach out and touch them?? I don’t know how they could really be mad. I know the men should be able to control themselves, but come on ladies you know better. Maybe if it was just one guy you might be able to get away with him saying something to you but a group of men is just a recipe for disaster. I have more to say but I will save it for my essay.
Wendy Estrada
September 16,2008
Freewrite
Today in class we were assign to watch a film by Byron Hurt's called hip hop beyond beats and rhymes.This film talked about soneme aspects of hip hop and maily disagreeing with the way they interpret hip hop.In this film it was shown how in videos rappers usually treat the female vary bad. I do have to agree with the evidence found within this film dont get me wrong i love the music and some of the videos ,but ists true some of the times rappers treat a female more like a sex object thatfor how much the woman is worth.
Benjamin H.
English 1B: (Tues/Thurs)
Sabir
Free-write: Byron Hurt’s Hip-Hop film: “Beyond Beats and Rhymes”
The film “Beyond Beats and Rhymes” that the whole class watched is basically about how commercial hip-hop represents a lot of negativity. One issue that the director Byron Hurt talks about is how commercial hip-hop depicts manhood as being all about toughness, invulnerability, and about how many females you have around your shoulder. Anything that goes against this makes you less than a man in hip-hop, and it basically means that you are a female. Another issue that comes up in this film is misogyny and this deals with women in hip-hop being just seen as a piece of meat and not as a human being with feelings. The issue of homophobia also comes up in this film, and it’s about how a lot rappers don’t want anything to with this topic. One example from the film is when Byron Hurt was interviewing the hip-hop artist Busta Rhymes, and Byron asked him a question about gay people being involved in hip-hop and Busta Rhymes didn’t even acknowledge his question. One other topic that comes up in this film is that in almost all of the hip-hop videos you see are mostly all about violence, guns, and destruction.
I agree with Byron Hurt’s point of view that commercial hip-hop has mostly to do with a bad representation of manhood, misogyny, and homophobia. I don’t think is right how hip-hop portrays women in their videos, and also if you are not the type of men that is tough and will kill anyone who stands in your way then you are automatically seen as less of a men in. I think that is wrong how many hip-hop artists and rappers simply discard people that have a different sexual preference than normal even though they are human beings just like them. I also don’t like how in many rap videos the thing that you see the most is violence and guns. Hip-hop is listened to every one of all ages and the younger audience is strongly influenced by this music so it doesn’t seem fair to have kids listened to rappers about how they killed people with guns. This movie was very good especially because of all the interviews with the popular artist in hip-hop, and so we get their point of views and reactions on controversial issues surrounding their own music.
Tammia Jackson
English 1B Wanda Sabir
Essay – Disrespect in Hip Hop (Stereotypes)
9/17/08
Disrespect in Hip Hop (Stereotypes)
In this Essay you will read about Hip Hop and how much it has change. You also will learn about different stereotypes, and how different people look at hip hop.
I believe that Byron hurt arguments are that today’s generation as completely change hip hop. In most music videos the majority of things you see is Jewelry, money and half naked woman, or men showing off there body’s, this also applies for Hip Hop magazines such as the Source. When hip hop first came out it was about, who had the best flow, showing who you are, getting your massage across and who had the most to say in there lyrics. It was about having fun like break dancing and seeing who was the best at what they did such as, raping, break dancing or graffiti.
Evidence in this film shows the massage Mr. Hurt was trying to get across. When he went to spring break and most of the woman you see, was barely wearing any clothes. Mr. Hurt interviewed several young men most of them had very nasty words to say calling woman bitches. The young men also said, when woman dress like that there a bitch, and the woman that don’t dress like that are woman. When Woman dresses with most of there skin showing men garb at them, and try to touch them and are rude.
I agree that commercial rap is misogynistic and violent, and promotes a negative stereotype. Turn on your TV or look at the Internet you will see what I mean. I believe this well never stop there is always going to be a woman that wants attention, and there is always going to be a man disrespecting a woman and on TV talking about money, drugs, guns or killing someone. Please visit this website http://music.aol.com/video/cocktales/too-sort/1481518 for an example.
Deon Johnson
English 1B: (Tuesday/Thursday)
Free write: I was encouraged to write about Know What I Mean rather than Hip Hop beyond Beats and Rhythms concerned I’ve seen and wrote about it already.
Michael Eric Dyson's provocative hip-hop discourse Know What I Mean? Tackles what Dyson says is an unavoidable question: "Does this stuff actually harm the people who listen to it?"
Hip-hop, Dyson's book argues, "has been a source of controversy since the beats got too big and the voices too loud for the block parties that spawned them" — and yes, the author says, rap needs to be called out for its "materialism, hedonism, and offensive language."
But the situation is complicated: Commercial pressures mean that in some ways, rap is a victim of its own success. And critics shouldn't forget that jazz, in its early days, was considered as scurrilous as rap is now. Hip-hop culture in general and rap in particular, comes with an intricate embedded politics and at its best, Dyson says, "hip-hop is about the brilliance of pavement poetry."
Dyson's wide-ranging scholarship makes him one of the foremost voices describing what it's like to be black in America. The Georgetown University professor is the author of 12 books; Holler If You Hear Me, about slain gangsta rapper Tupac Shakur, sealed his reputation as "the hip-hop intellectual."
Dyson's own rhythms and language can be as spellbinding, and as disquieting, as the music he examines. In this free-wheeling, fiercely funny discussion, he advances arguments about who's allowed to use the N-word — and why — and about whether women should "consent to their own degradation as the price of admission to [hip-hop's] aesthetic glory."
America's foremost "hip-hop intellectual" and acclaimed biographer of Marvin Gaye and Tupac Shakur weighs in on the past, present, and future of hip-hop music.
Whether along race, class or generational lines, hip-hop music has been a source of controversy since the beats got too big and the voices too loud for the block parties that spawned them. America has condemned and commended this music and the culture that inspires it. Dubbed "the Hip-Hop Intellectual" by critics and fans for his pioneering explorations of rap music in the academy and beyond, Michael Eric Dyson is uniquely situated to probe the most compelling and controversial dimensions of hip-hop culture.
Know What I Mean? addresses salient issues within hip hop: the creative expression of degraded youth that has garnered them global exposure; the vexed gender relations that have made rap music a lightning rod for pundits; the commercial explosion that has made an art form a victim of its success; the political elements that have been submerged in the most popular form of hip hop; and the intellectual engagement with some of hip hop's most influential figures.
In spite of changing trends, both in the music industry and among the intelligentsia, Dyson has always supported and interpreted this art that bloomed un-watered, and in many cases, unwanted from our inner cities. For those who wondered what all the fuss is about in hip hop, Dyson's bracing and brilliant book breaks it all down.
Faraj Fayad
Responce to;
Ronald Tung,
I thought your arguement was somewhat right but you missed out on a lot of facts. You might have been talking about "rap" by itself, because what i got from your arguement was how rappers disrespect woman and only make songs that are dance related. I also noticed you didnt really get into the meaning of hip hop. I believe hiphop is a whole different genre than rap because hiphop is all about polotics and getting out of the struggle we unpriviliged are in covering all subjects we go through livin on this planet. I hope as we go deeper into hiphop in this class we'll go over some songs that do relate to ur sophisticated taste.
Wendy Estrada
September 16, 2008
Freewrite responce
Today in class we watch a film called hip hop beyond beats and rhymes by Byron Hurt. Byron Hurt is a college quarterback turned activist. As he was ones watching BET which stands for black entertainment television, he discovered some of the music videos. While watching these videos he discovered that all these hip hop videos seemed the same. He realized that most of these videos contain money, violence and female dancers. In this film he talked about how hip hop music know and days treated the females like slaves because it seemed like the rappers where the owners. He also comment on how how in most videos there’s someone jumping someone or in fact having weapons or shooting had become what’s in style now and days. I do agree with Byron hurt in his opinions on hip hop videos in general because they do tend to portrait negative situations and images to kids and youth who believe that what they are watching is “tight.”
Faraj is the only student who responded to another's discourse on the topic. Everyone has to respond to someone's response. Get to it.
I know its late, but hey better late that never...:)
Deon Johnson
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Faraj great start! Your essay however, missed a lot, including your views on it; great facts, but there wasn’t a lot of personal opinion.
Regarding your JadaKiss quote/ statement, I feel Kiss was not saying, look at movies, there using guns and stuff, but rather movies does the same thing as us, the rappers, but they don’t say anything to the directors or producers, they just blame hip hop.
I don’t think America is attracted to half naked girls, money or that other stuff shown in hip hop videos, as you mention, I think America, assuming that AMERICA, as a whole, listen to Hip Hop, is quite simple, they like a good beat! I think it’s a fair statement to say that the lyrics can suck, which most of them do, but if the beat is nice, America will listen to it. Furthermore the videos show what the lyrics say! If they talk about having sexual relations in the song, you can probably assume that’s what’s going to be portrayed in the video.
Regarding 50cent, he has great beats, I don’t think him getting shot had anything to do with his album sells, nor do I believe that’s what Hurt was talking about. If people was liking 50cent because he got shot, his biographical movie, Get Rich Or Die Try’n, would had done well rather than becoming one of the worst movies in that year, according to Forbes.
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